Joe Quattrone 00:33
Oh, hey, fellas, we just got done interviewing Sarah Donner, a really cool story. You know, she started out as a fashion model living in New York. She’s from Germany originally. Eventually, along the way, she pivoted into a kind of tech startup land doing an AI kind of startup venture. And then eventually, she moved her way over to the world of hypnotherapy and hypnosis. And, you know, I made the reference to her after we got off the call, then it’s kind of like she’s lived three lives in one. But what did you guys pull out of that conversation? And how might it be interesting and useful for our audience?

Kary Youman 01:13
Yeah, I mean, I’d say just out the gate. You know, she talked about her experience with imposter syndrome. And I think that’s something that a lot of people experience, regardless of what level they’re in professionally, or just in their own personal lives. So I think anyone listening to this, who’s just ever had some self confidence issues or had doubted themselves, I think they’ll appreciate her message. And yeah, just what she’s all about.

JM Guthrie 01:37
Yeah, I mean, I have much to add, I agree. I thought the imposter syndrome example was something that I don’t think we’ve talked about explicitly. And I think, to your point, it is rampid, I think, just the thing I would add is, What an unbelievable human, and what an interesting and comprehensive and ultimately, just such a dynamic story, that seems to be just getting started. I also just felt an energy about her that was maybe different than anybody else we’ve talked to so far, she just had a vibe that, you know, it really felt that vibration from her. And I think that we’ll find the audience will say the same. So looking forward to seeing this, this episode with a live audience

Joe Quattrone 02:17
members, when you check this interview out, just keep in mind, you know, we talk a lot about, you know, people being sober, having a stigma attached to them. And I think she’s the living epitome of that. And that’s actually one of the main reasons, you know, she’s kind of plowed forward over these past 10 years of not drinking, but she’s had a kind of double, doubly so in her life and the fact that most people have their preconceived notions about what hypnotherapy is, and what it’s not. And it’s not always that kind to the industries, just like, you know, life is not that kind or industries or not that kind of sober people. So, bear that in mind, I think that’s a really interesting thing. Maybe try to think about the hypnotherapy field with a more open mind or a less, you know, subjective way of thinking in the future because I think she definitely brings some light in life to this conversation. So we hope you enjoy it.

Kary Youman 03:12
Sarah is the founder of Siva Wellness. She grew up in Germany and started her career as a fashion model, which allowed her to travel the world at a young age. After finishing her degree in New York City, she pivoted into the startup world and lived between New York and Europe. Shortly thereafter, she became the founding member of an AI back to beauty company called 20 to 50. Needless to say, living this fast paced life without the right tools in place, left its mark on her and she ended up feeling mentally and physically depleted. She suffered from imposter syndrome and anxiety and was constantly battling all sorts of ailments that traditional medicine could not help her with. This is when Sarah started to look for alternative methods like hypnotherapy to heal herself and the journey and results have been remarkable. After Sarah obtained her holistic health coach license from the Institute of Integrative Nutrition, after Sarah obtained her holistic health coach license from the Institute of Integrative Nutrition and New York, and our hypnotherapy license from the center of integrative hypnosis, along with further studies and transpersonal hypnotherapy with Alison axon, she decided to turn her passion into her career and Siva wellness was born. Siva is for everyone that is ready to implement change with a long lasting effect and without any other side effects. Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the fuzzy ish podcast. I’m your host today Carrie joined by my co host, Jay M. And Joe How are you doing fellas?

Joe Quattrone 04:40
Hello? Excellent,

Kary Youman 04:42
excellent. We have a very special guest today. Miss Sarah donner. Sir, how are you?

Sarah Donner 04:48
I’m so good. I’m so excited to be here today with you guys and talk about my total movement. All right,

Joe Quattrone 04:57
yes, go total all the way From Germany Yes, yeah,

JM Guthrie 05:01
like hashtag me too, but not like that, you know what I’m saying?

Kary Youman 05:06
So, So, Sarah, you have a pretty interesting portfolio of just kind of where you are today and kind of what you’ve done. Professional model, you co founded AI beauty startup. Now you’re practicing integrative hip hypnotherapy. Can you just talk a little bit about this transition and just how you got into hypnotherapy from an Ai startup model? Yeah.

Sarah Donner 05:30
So I was basically working since I was 15 years old. And then I was always at school. And then when I got out of school, I went into this, like startup world, and anyone who like lives in a city like New York or has ever started a company has been in the startup environment knows that it’s so fucking stressful. Sorry,

JM Guthrie 05:54
no, keeping favorites. No, go for it. But it’s

Sarah Donner 05:58
really stressful, and especially coming from Europe and moving to the US like I was mentally and physically just depleted. And I developed imposter syndrome and a lot of physical issues. And Western medicine really couldn’t help me with anything. And then I was looking for alternative methods. And a couple of years ago, I did an Ayahuasca ceremony. And during the ceremony, I had like this download where I saw how my thought process, how I thought about myself or thought about my goals, really impacted my entire life. So mentally and physically, and my reality. And then when I got

Joe Quattrone 06:39
sorry, real quick, where were you when you were doing this iOS gonna thing? Were you down in Mexico or the southwestern border?

Sarah Donner 06:47
No, it was actually in Joshua Tree. But the people I did it with, they came from Peru. So very authentic. Yeah, tradition. And I recently did another one again, in Costa Rica. Wow. Nice.

Kary Youman 07:00
So just curious, Sarah, you know, they talk about I kind of calling you and sort of calling like, you know, when it’s time I haven’t had the experience. But I’m curious about you. Like, is this something you ever thought you would do? Like, what kind of opened you up to this? And what kind of downloads did you get from that process?

Sarah Donner 07:18
So I was super blessed that my best friend and roommate actually was living with the tribe for a long time. And everyone in my circle had already done it. But for years, I was like, No, I don’t feel called to do this. I have a lot of respect for people who do it, and for the medicine itself. And so I didn’t just want to do it. Because there’s a lot of people because it’s now like a trendy thing to do, or everyone does it. I think they rushed into it. And I just for years, I was just like, No, no, no, I always listened. And I was super curious about the stories. And I also saw the positive impact that all my friends had. But I waited and I waited. And then one morning, I woke up and I was like, this was the missing puzzle piece. I have to do this now. And coincidentally, at that time, the people that my friend was working with were in Joshua Tree, and I was like, this was a super quick trip from New York. I have to do it now.

Joe Quattrone 08:23
And how old were you when you did this?

Sarah Donner 08:25
I was 24.

Joe Quattrone 08:27
Gotcha. What was the

JM Guthrie 08:28
What were you missing? I mean, we’ve talked to a few people about this. I’ve been on the record. And I’ll say it again, I’m terrified of the idea of any of it like any of the different medicines, and obviously there’s different levels and different experiences and different times and all that. Nothing about it for me personally. I do feel called to in fact, I feel terrified of the idea of sort of removing myself from reality, just because of how type A and folk you know, how much my mind is moving all the time. But it’s interesting hearing somebody like yourself, talk about the fact that you weren’t called to it. And you maybe had similar feelings to the ones that I still have. But then you woke up one morning and you felt like what was the thing that sort of created that clarity, or even the specific of the missing piece to feel like you needed to do it in the way you talked about? It

Sarah Donner 09:22
really just was like intuition, like a calling where like, where I was like, Yeah, I don’t want to sit somewhere in the middle of nowhere and puke and feel sick. I don’t like every part of me, say no to that. But there was still this calling where I was like, I have to do that. That’s what’s gonna bring me a step further. And I’m also really type A. I don’t like to lose control. I don’t like to you know, but this was for me. A good type of surrendering, a good time type of giving over control. Because I heard so many times that the medicine gives you exactly what you need to see. Right? Right. And you just have to remember, you’ll be out of it by the morning. It takes a long time. And sometimes it feels like forever. But if you go with the right people, and you have people supporting you, you’re in a safe environment. I think it’s one of the biggest gifts you can give yourself to really reconnect with yourself and get your personal truth, other than hypnotherapy, because then you have no therapy. You can also get really close to that.

JM Guthrie 10:33
Yeah, no, and that’s a good segue. And I’m sure there’ll be plenty. We want to talk just so are you from a psychedelic is? Are you into other avenues or other medicines? And that sort of frame of mind? Or have you stayed focused on these? These two ceremonies?

Sarah Donner 10:50
So I did something else. That’s, I think, called what Schumer? Yeah. And that ceremony? I don’t know if it was me. I don’t know if it was the setting. I didn’t get that deep. I think I was also really distracted. It was very cold. It wasn’t, it wasn’t my thing at that moment. Maybe if I do it again, I’m not that knowledgeable about what’s out there. I’m super curious. I love to read about all the things that are now happening with ketamine and MDMA, I’m super open to all of that. But I haven’t tried anything. I also like it very much, I’m slow with it. I’m waiting for that new download. When I wake up in the morning. I’m like, that’s the next step I need to take. I want to gather a level for that. And also, like, once you do, when you do I ask, I think it’s really important to sit with all the information that you’ve been given. And sometimes weeks later, you get more downloads, or you have more dreams, or it’s just really important to stay present with the process that you just went through. Well, for the first one was really intense, where like, within the whole year, I was still growing and learning and like being reminded of what happened that night.

Kary Youman 12:10
Wow. So I’m just curious, Sara, just sort of piggybacking off of that something you said earlier was just kind of being in a state of like losing control, and I just kind of want to use that as a segue. When people think about hypnotherapy, integrative hypnotherapy, a lot of times people think about, you know, someone on stage, someone’s clucking, like a chicken barking like a dog. Could you sort of just talk a little bit more about your experience with hypnotherapy? How did you get into it? And like what you actually do?

Sarah Donner 12:36
Yeah, so that’s obviously like the biggest misconception people have that I will take out a little clock and then ask for their bank account or make them do something silly. Because that’s how the media portrays most of the time. But hypnotherapy in a therapeutic way, is way more collaborative. When I speak with my clients, and I put them into trance, we still have a conversation, because I want to know, what is going on with them, like what is their root cause for their habit or their drinking, like what has caused them to develop this, you know, because in the end, the way I look at addiction are habits. It’s just a way to solve an emotional problem, right? And once you get to the why and hypnosis as a beautiful way to get to the why and the reason like why people develop these things. You can really reach lasting change. And of course, hypnotherapy is an amazing tool to rewire your neural pathways. So that change becomes super easy. You basically just make the road free for people to then change. You

Joe Quattrone 13:52
I am a total nation so it’s so interesting that hypnotherapy in the hypnotherapy field is similar to this, you know, moment in your life. Going through sobriety. So many people are mischaracterized in Hollywood in corporate America so Sarah feels that that, you know, unique exchange makes us even more connected there. So Well, Mike, my question to you is, can you like when you’re obviously we had COVID happen and it shut down the world? How did that have an impact on your business? Is hypnotherapy something you can only do in person one a wonder could you hypnotize JM right now here on Google, Riverside or wherever was

Sarah Donner 14:35
so I actually did one of my certifications online. And the beautiful thing about either one online and that one a person and there is no difference. Because all you need for the session is to be comfortable, and to hear my voice and the rest happens all inside your head. That’s why I always like to remind my clients when they want to book another Session and another session. I’m like, you know that you can do this yourself with your thoughts. So yeah, all you need is to be super comfy in your jammies if you want to be on your couch. And then it just got an internet connection in my voice jammies

JM Guthrie 15:15
I love that word. jammies is a word that gets used on a daily basis. Shout out Dottie Guthrie to my mama.

Kary Youman 15:26
My whole life. So, Sarah, so maybe

JM Guthrie 15:29
yeah, no, I love it. I love it. I am here for it. I love that.

Kary Youman 15:35
So Sarah, I was just looking over your bio. And you mentioned just sort of, you know, through your career of, you know, being within an AI beauty startup, which I would love to hear more about, because you talked about hustle culture. And something that we’re actually trying to coin right now is hustle and wellness. It’s kind of a balance of the two. Can you talk about sort of your experience with hustle culture, and just the time you spent with an AI beauty company, and maybe even sharing a little bit about what that is? When

Sarah Donner 16:00
I speak with my clients and I put them into a trance, we still have a conversation? Because I want to know, what is going on with them? Like what is their root cause for their habit or their drinking, like what has caused them to develop this, you know, because in the end, the way I look at addiction or habits, it’s just a way to solve an emotional problem, right? And once you get to the why and hypnosis is a beautiful way to get to the why and the reason like why people develop these things. You can really reach lasting change. And of course, hypnotherapy is an amazing tool to rewire your neural pathways. So that change becomes super easy. You basically just make the road free for people to then change. Yeah, so the company I was with as it’s an amazing company, it’s an amazing startup, they basically take a picture of your face, you upload it, and then they formulate skin care depending on what the AI captures your skin needs. Well. It was an amazing time, and I’m so grateful for all the other job opportunities I had before I basically tried hypnotherapy as part of it. For me what was also exhausting was that I wasn’t 100% aligned with what I was doing. I have always been interested in this field. And I always like to do it for fun. I did my health coaching license just because I wanted to have that knowledge. I was hungry for that. But something in my head was always like, oh, you should go into cron, you know, CPG packaging and consumer packaged goods. And the startup world was calling me but that was kind of on an ego level. Where it’s like, no, I do something that’s way more aligned. And I feel like there’s a lot of people that like hustle, hustle, hustle, but it’s on an ego level. It’s not like oh, this hustle is so aligned with me or I’m doing this because I love it so much. It’s more like something inside of me feels like I am not good enough or I need to overcompensate with that. Same as with drinking. Some people are people pleasers. Some people are drinkers and it’s all because there is an emotional pain that we’re trying to numb or we don’t want to sit with something. And then we drink, people please hustle. Knowing Sarah and I is good for us.

Joe Quattrone 18:34
I know all about that hustle culture having worked for Gary Vee for 10 years. So it is a lot a lot of pressure around you when there’s you know, when when everybody in the building is trying to put on that face of hustle culture, it’s kind of daunting, especially when that’s not who your personality is, like me personally, I’m the most one of the most laid back people you’ll ever meet. So it’s hard for me to get going in that direction at that pace and that speed. But yeah,

JM Guthrie 19:02
I was just gonna say because she said people that have started a business. And I did that about 10 or 11 years ago, we just recently sold it to a bigger company a year ago coming up in a couple of weeks. And the reality is the hustle never stops, right? So you start a company. And the things, the challenges, both the good and the bad, they all kind of stay the same regardless of what you’re chasing. It’s always about how do we grow to 10 people? How do we get to 50 people? Oh my gosh, now we have customers, how do we keep them happy? How do we make sure our people are happy enough to support our customers and keep them happy as we grow? Oh my gosh, now we’re part of this bigger company that has the same challenges at a much larger macro level. How do we insert ourselves to you know, sort of drive that value? And the reality is if you’re not showing up and hustling on a daily basis, you end up not growing and the company goes the other direction. And that’s something that’s really interesting across the spectrum of life and part of What carries about the hustle is you have to stay focused on the right things in order to achieve both success and in our case, really focus on that wellness both, you know, sort of physically and mentally so very cool.

Joe Quattrone 20:12
What was the first thing you were hypnotized? Like? I’m sure you probably got hypnotized at some point before you got into giving out hypnotism. What was the first thing you got hypnotized to kind of overcome? Was there a specific thing that you were trying out? Yeah. Well, that was it.

Sarah Donner 20:32
For me, my biggest thing to overcome and why a church of hypnotherapy was because I had such crazy impostor syndrome. I like it because especially when I started in tech, I was the only girl at the company with guys who mainly came from Ivy League schools I didn’t. And then obviously, coming from a background, where like, my only job was modeling. I mean, I had a degree but in school, I was modeling. And then I didn’t do the other internships that other people had. So I always felt like I had to prove myself or everyone was already having preconceived notions over me. So I just had so much impostor syndrome. And then I started doing hypnotherapy for that, and I felt so much better about myself. And that’s when I really like things clicked. And I was like, wait a minute, I don’t talk nice to myself. I don’t think nice thoughts about myself. And it’s really hard to be in a meeting and listen to what other people are saying, If you are constantly being mean to yourself in your head. So then obviously, things didn’t work that well for me. And then when I found hypnotherapy, I was like, Oh, my gosh, let me now do this for this problem. And that problem, and I applied for everything now.

Joe Quattrone 21:47
So how many times have you been hypnotized?

Sarah Donner 21:52
I mean, just through my certifications, you have to practice so much on your cures. Yeah. So hundreds of times, thank God. But that’s amazing. Because at the end of the day, you feel amazing, because you always connect with the truth, the part of you that has good intentions, the part of you that’s positive, that can see all the beautiful things happening for your future. It’s like a little massage for your brain.

Kary Youman 22:24
I’m curious, sir. I’ve done a little bit of research on things like neuro linguistic programming and a little bit of hypnotherapy. And, you know, I once read that, we’re all technically sort of being hypnotized all the time. You know, you look at the media companies and the different ads that come to us. Does it matter what state someone’s in when it comes to hypnotherapy? Like, do they have to be in a suggestive state? Or can you hypnotize someone who doesn’t even realize they’re being hypnotized? I’m not talking about Yeah, I mean, I guess it’s kind of like a Jedi trick. But I’m just curious, like, is that a thing? Do people do that?

Sarah Donner 22:56
Yeah. So I mean, until the age of seven, where it’s such an unnatural state of hypnosis, right? The subconscious of a kid is wide open. And that’s why we say like, be careful how you speak to your kids, don’t say, your, your bad boy or your this and that because it really implements in the subconscious. As a grown up. Yeah, once we have to get a little bit into this trance state. Where then, which happens, for example, if you watch a really scary movie, right, your body reacts, your hair stands up, you get sweaty, and like you forget what’s happening outside of you. So you do have to run those movies.

JM Guthrie 23:37
I’m out on that too. scary movies in those different experiences I’m out for right now.

Sarah Donner 23:43
Yeah, it stresses me out too much as well. That’s not

Joe Quattrone 23:47
part of my beautiful journey, either. I’m not

Sarah Donner 23:52
totally so yeah, you have to be in trance for things, obviously. Like it helps things to stick. You know, if you want to work on something, being in trance makes this a critical factor that then implements when you’re around eight years old. Make it go, make it break a little bit so that you can implement new ideas. So usually when you’re not in trance, you have this critical factor in your mind that kind of blocks out ideas that are against your belief system. Does that make sense?

Kary Youman 24:31
Can you say that in a different way? Okay,

Sarah Donner 24:34
so, like I said, when you’re seven years old, until you’re seven years old, your subconscious is wide open, right? So it’s easy for a grown up to implement ideas into a kid or for a kid to make up scenarios and just be like this is true. Or if the kid doesn’t have any friends that will just implement this belief system. I’m not worthy, or I’m not good enough, right. Then when you’re eight years old The brain develops a critical factor, which then makes it harder for us to change as an adult. So then the adults still have this belief system, I am not good enough, or no one likes me, it’s hard to change this, even if 25 new friends come and all went to hang out, this person might still feel like I am not good enough, no one likes me. Because in childhood, this thought implemented this belief system. It’s

Joe Quattrone 25:28
so interesting, because I have an eight year old girl and a seven year old boy. And there is like a stark difference between the two of them in terms of the types of humans they are and like, the development that has happened in my eight year olds brain versus what? I’ve never been able to place my finger on what that difference is, but it’s noticeable, you know? Yeah.

Sarah Donner 25:47
So then when we’re in trance, when we change the brainwaves, it gets easier to bypass this critical factor. So it’s basically like opening up the mind again, and putting in more positive true beliefs. So then if I were talking to that person, I would say, Oh, you’re so lovable, and you can have so many friends and look at all these people who are gravitating towards you that want to hang out with you, right? And then this person is more open to these suggestions.

Kary Youman 26:19
So sir, there’s a lot of controversy, I think in the world around affirmations, you know, like people just sort of affirming like, I am healthy, I am rich, I am love all these things. I think there is some truth in that. But I am curious. With you being in hypnotherapy, do affirmations work? If someone isn’t in a receptive state, like can you use repetition to get into that mind frame?

Sarah Donner 26:49
I think for some people, for sure it will work. If their subconscious is already on board. If you deep down, have internalized, I am not good enough, then you can look every day in the mirror and say 100,000 times. But I am good enough, I am good enough. But if you subconsciously don’t believe that, then you’re wasting your time, then it’s better to open your subconscious one time and take the 10 2050 minutes you need to do that. And dig deep. Why do you believe that? And come up with a better relief stuff, though, you know, refrain that when

Kary Youman 27:27
you were saying that I was just kind of thinking of a piece of poop with whipped cream on it. You know, it’s like with the whipped cream on it. Joe, you had a question about sort of overcoming addiction with hypnotherapy, something like that? Yeah,

Joe Quattrone 27:42
like, I don’t know. I feel like there’s a lot of people in our audience who have probably considered hypnotherapy in the past, because they dealt with things like drinking or smoking or something that they want to get rid of. But they’ve probably been scared off for some reason. You know, I think Kerry kind of alluded to it off the top of the call when he said, you know, the perception that Hollywood gives you on hypnotherapy is that, you’re going to wind up barking like a dog or you know, clucking, like a chicken. And I feel like a lot of people probably just don’t want to be in a state of vulnerability when they come out of it where other people can manipulate them. Like, what would you say to the skeptical listener of our show? That’s like, I’m never gonna do that, because they’re gonna do something to me, that makes me you know, a fool in front of my wife, or my boss, or whoever, like, how safe is this for people?

Sarah Donner 28:33
I mean, first of all, it’s one on one, you’re not gonna do anything embarrassing. And like I said, like Hypno hypnosis, you, I’m not gonna make you do anything. And I cannot make you do anything that’s against your morals. So the subconscious will not accept anything that’s against your morals and your values. Right? Right. And the way I lead the session is like, I will ask a lot of questions. And then I also will not implement anything that the client doesn’t want. And we’re talking basically, to the part of the client that is drinking that has bad habits. So it’s an ongoing conversation. The client doesn’t need to perform anything. I’m just asking questions to get you there. Why? And nothing. No one has ever been embarrassed.

Joe Quattrone 29:27
I think the other kind of misnomer or maybe it’s not, maybe you can clarify for our audience is that you go into a session, something happens and immediately things are changed. Is that how things work? Like if I’m a drinker, and I’m looking to get hypnotized to stop drinking? Do I meet with you for an hour and then all of a sudden I don’t drink anymore? Or is it like more of an ongoing kind of therapy relationship kind of thing?

Sarah Donner 29:52
So there’s actually really interesting study by a side hustle I think is lame. as Alfred Barrios, and he compared the recovery rates for different types of therapies. So I think cognitive behavior therapy was over 100 sessions for like 27% recovery rate and for hypnotherapy was six sessions for 90% recovery rate. Wow. So I would say if someone really has deep rooted stuff or like more things come out during this first session, maybe six sessions, maybe three sessions, but within that parameter, usually people feel a lot better. And after the first session, they already have a lot of change. And that obviously, also depends on the person that depends on like, you know, where they already are at in their journey when they come to me,

JM Guthrie 30:51
which I think is a really interesting thing, right? Like it has to do with where you are on your journey. And what we always talk about and where we totally came from, in the first place is, you can’t make a change, unless you’re ready for yourself, or you’re in a place in your journey, that you’re willing to be vulnerable. Go into this type of scenario with you, show up to your first AA meeting, come talk to us about, you know, what you’re, what you’re dealing with, and your challenges and how we’re, whatever it is. But you can’t make that change until you’re ready for yourself. And that your journey is at a fork in the road where you’re truly willing to commit yourself to the hustle that it’s going to take to reach the wellness that you want. And so it’s just interesting listening to the parallels as you talk through those. And I wonder, you know, my, my kind of follow up question is, I totally get that being mean to yourself part and I can already sort of align even the ways you’ve talked about the series of questions or the ways that your your session would go, the questions within your session would go to help you sort of relieve yourself of the pressure, the imposter syndrome that you mentioned, on the on the addiction side. Is it similar? Because you’re ultimately trying to get at what you are trying to sort of cover up or not think about specific to consuming whatever it is that you’re, you know, sort of seeing that addiction around? Is there? Are there parallels to that? Or is it sort of a different scoop of questions or a different direction?

Sarah Donner 32:27
Um, I would say it’s pretty similar. Yeah. Like you mean, the session? How I would structure the similar or,

JM Guthrie 32:37
I mean, if I’m, if I’m dealing with impostor syndrome, and I’m telling myself, I hate myself every day, and it’s not allowing me to be open in the world that you talked about? Or I’m a really bad alcoholic with an addiction, and I’m coming to you for help. Is the therapy similar? You know, are the questions similar? Are you trying to get at the same things? Or? Or do or are there different practices in order to sort of go at different types of, you know, different types of solution or ultimately recovery?

Sarah Donner 33:11
I think that’s pretty similar. They’re obviously like, very different approaches as to how to get someone to trance. There’s different ways. There’s, I think every hypnotherapist has kind of their own ways of little things. For me, I really love something that’s called a parts therapy, where we really connect with that part of you, that is not trying to sit with whatever is causing you pain, that is trying to escape with alcoholism, or with smoking or with whatever. For imposter syndrome, maybe I would do inner child work. It really depends on the client. I will talk with everyone for for a minute before we start, and then get clear on okay, what’s the best approach but it’s very individual to each person,

JM Guthrie 34:05
and ultimately the origin of whatever it is that they’re challenged with, which makes a lot of sense. Really fascinating. Thanks.

Joe Quattrone 34:12
I’ve got a really outside of the box question for you. So pardon me. Do you think Jesus could have been a Hypnotherapist? Hmm. Because I think about it. You know, when we’re getting into these,

JM Guthrie 34:25
leave it to Joe to bring Jesus to the conversation.

Joe Quattrone 34:28
Thank you for leaving Dr. Joe. But when we’re talking about like, the studies that you were talking about with cognitive behavioral therapy versus hypnotherapy and how much faster you can get to certain conclusions. It strikes me as like, there’s a lot of people in this world that are really down and out right now, like homelessness is at all time highs in Los Angeles, New York and a lot, a lot of the big major inner cities. And, you know, I feel like a hypnotherapist walking the streets, helping people out might be a really, really The good thing, and then I start thinking about that I’m like, Well, isn’t that kind of what Jesus was doing back in 2000 years ago, kind of walking around Judea and Samaria, and just healing people and helping people. And when you described it, like, let me open up your mind or let me open up your mind and get in there. Like, that strikes me as like, very, very possible. I don’t know.

Sarah Donner 35:21
I have never thought about it like that. But yeah, maybe, but maybe Jesus, Jesus just also opened up people to their own inherent power, you know? Yeah.

Kary Youman 35:36
Sarah, I’m curious. Is there anyone who hypnotherapy could not benefit? Is there any danger for certain people to not partake?

Sarah Donner 35:48
I don’t think I would feel skilled enough to work with people who are like kids, have phrenics or have issues like that. That’s just not an area that I feel skilled enough to work with. Otherwise, no one really comes to mind, you know, like, like multiple personnel. Yeah, exactly. Like,

Joe Quattrone 36:11
one thing I’d be interested in just hearing from your perspective is, is there like, what’s the hot topic in the trade right now of hypnotherapy? Like, what’s the news going on in your industry? Because me and J M, and to an extent carry we all kind of hover, or we have hovered around this marketing communications world for the past like 1015 20 years. But we haven’t spent time and, and obviously, like, the 20 years, like, how did that happen? And now we’re getting kind of old, but

JM Guthrie 36:41
I saw a picture of a UFC Hold on, I saw a picture of a UFC event that I went to with a friend of ours, big tall, Matt Maynard, shout out man Boehner, and it was 14 years ago. And I was remembering on my iPhone. And I thought about my gosh, how’s this 14 years ago, and then I went to that was a third of my life ago. Yeah. And just how in the world are 14 years going by so quickly, and all of a sudden, here we are 42 years old. Anyways, crazy. Time goes so fast. We think about it in ways like that, but so slow on some of these days. These

Joe Quattrone 37:18
tell us with the hot gasses and the hypnotherapy arena, and then we’ll get into products and practices and we’ll go from there. The

Sarah Donner 37:26
HUD gauze I don’t know, I think I’m pretty like this was bad to say but I feel like I might be a little bit of a loop. I’m just so grateful that now it’s going mainstream and Sugarman lab is endorsing it. And all these like really respected people in one’s community are actually saying that this was like sides backed and that you could trust it. And less and less people have these misconceptions that you know, this is just embarrassing.

Joe Quattrone 38:01
Do you ever like to go out to coffee with other hypnotherapists and try to get into each other’s mind like Magneto versus Dr. Xavier?

Sarah Donner 38:10
No, but I do have a lot of people that I was in training with that I will contact when I have a client where I’m like, Oh, I don’t know how to approach this. Have you ever had those like what’s a good way to do that? But I will say that, like every person is so different that when I usually make a plan on how to approach a certain topic, their subconscious will throw something at me where I’m like, Oh, I wouldn’t have expected that or this is where that comes from. You know, like every person is super different. Every case is different. There’s obviously very, like tried and true practices that you can do as I’ve no therapist to help people get into trance. But once they’re there, it’s very individual. Very cool.

Joe Quattrone 38:55
Cool. And one last question just because I feel like I want to go do some research as well like who is there like a Michael Jordan of your trade like the who’s like the top hypnotherapist in the world?

Sarah Donner 39:09
She says I think Melissa tears is like, probably one of the most well known ones but she also has like crazy marketing and she teaches people

Kary Youman 39:19
RTT

Sarah Donner 39:22
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I personally haven’t done that. I went to either in person hypnotherapy school and Tuscany Italy because I was like, why not learn this in Italy, you know? And then last summer there and then I did my other schooling in New York City, which was also amazing. I love my teacher there as well. Melissa tears She’s amazing. So for me, I am kind of more like it didn’t go to like the biggest one but the one where I felt like the most I will get the most hands-on training.

JM Guthrie 40:02
So, so quickly, right before you got on. I was looking at your Instagram, you’ve been all over the world, and probably part of your career to some point. And then you just mentioned why not be in Tuscany? You’re in Germany today. You just said avid traveler or is there any intent with the place? Is it always, you know, intentional where you are? Do you just like to kind of go with where the wind takes you to, obviously support your practice.

Sarah Donner 40:30
I mean, back in the day when I was modeling, it was for work. Now that I live in New York City, it’s to stay sane and to escape the winter sometimes. And I’m in Germany today, just because my family is here and I haven’t seen them in a minute. Cool

Joe Quattrone 40:45
part of Germany. I used to travel there for work quite a bit. Oh, Frankfurt. Cards. I used to go down to Southern Germany in Bavaria with an English DOT when I worked with Audi. Oh,

Sarah Donner 40:59
yeah, English that everyone that works for all the lives there. Instead of like,

Joe Quattrone 41:05
the only people that live? Yeah. Yes. Cool. Well, the next segment we have is, we call it products and practices, which is usually designed to give our audience some sort of a service or a product that helps our guests really kind of push alcohol to the backburner of their mind. Now, given that you’ve not drank in quite some time, I don’t know how much you need to have a product or a practice. But maybe you can speak to something you used to do when you first quit drinking alcohol many moons ago. Is there anything in particular like a brand or a thing you did? Or maybe going for a run or something like that? Is there anything that used to do to kind of take your mind off of alcohol?

Sarah Donner 41:51
So for me, it wasn’t that I was craving alcohol. So my biggest hurdle was being in social environments. And then people like starting to question me and wanting to argue and this and that. And I mean, I stopped drinking so early, I was really insecure about it. I was like, Oh, I’m inconveniencing other people now by not drinking, like how dare I not be fun? You know? Whereas now I have, I have the mindset of like, they’re unconvincing inconveniencing me. And this and that, you know, hello. But obviously, I will never judge. But what I would just like everyone to remember is that, especially when you’re in a social environment, when you want to connect with people, especially in dating, isn’t the most important question that you should ask yourself, How does this person make me feel when I’m with them? Right? And doesn’t alcohol make it a little bit hard to discern that. So I would say that being sober gives you the gift of saving so much time, if you’re meeting new people, it gives you the gift of truly being in touch with your intuition. And, you know, it gives you the gift of being in touch with yourself when you’re around other people. So how beautiful you can get cues, you can see like, oh, this person actually doesn’t make me feel so good about myself, or I

Kary Youman 43:18
I wish I had heard you say that 20 years ago, sir, right?

Joe Quattrone 43:21
I feel that too. Same. There’s so many dimensions of time because I also often think about how much more I savor the time that I have than I did when I was drinking. So when I was drinking, everything went by like a blur. You know, like, lights went by so fast. And then you don’t remember anything that happened. But when you’re not drinking, even if it’s just sitting around watching a movie with your family, like that’s a memory that you’ll appreciate more than when you’re totally deep in the bottle. Well, this has been great. We really appreciate having you on. Is there anything you’re trying to promote right now? Is there a website? Is there social media, any kind of thing you’re doing that you want to tune our audience into? Yeah,

Sarah Donner 44:03
So my Instagram is Siva minus wellness, and on my webpage, I have a free hypnosis and I have some specific I have no therapies for weight loss or for other things. And yeah, people can find me at Ziva madness wellness. Nice.

Kary Youman 44:23
Awesome. Cool. Make sure we get that in the show notes to Sarah, this has been great. Thanks for taking some time with us today.

Sarah Donner 44:28
Yeah, thanks so much for having me.