Joe Quattrone 00:33
We just got done interviewing Dave Albin of Tony Robbins fame of firewalking fame. He’s the number one firewalking guy in the world. And he decided to take a break and hang out with us. Did it for Oprah, did it for Oprah and did it for Google. He has done it for a lot of different companies and influencers and celebrities and people. What was your take on the interview? What do you think our audience can expect from this episode?

Kary Youman 00:59
Yeah, I mean, I think just out the gate, just a lot of energy. So you’re truly going to be engaged. And you know, if you’re just looking for something in your life right now, maybe you just feel like you’re on a little bit of a rut. I think this is gonna be a great episode for people to listen to, and just kind of get that a little pick me up to get out of their comfort zone.

JM Guthrie 01:13
Yeah, no, I couldn’t agree more. I think the thing that we didn’t necessarily talk a lot about, because it was a lot of listening to Dave was we talked about with me totally, there’s not really a zero and one equation to it. And that for some people, the 12 steps really matter. Here’s a guy who’s a profound example of the success of AAA and continues to sort of strive to live by that mantra. And I’m a huge fan of that. We as a group are a huge supporter, you know, we’re not here to say, our walk or our path is the right one. We want to be supportive of all the paths. And certainly, I think he had such a great amount to share specific to the fact that he’s still on this planet because of a and that was an amazing story and something that I found to be incredibly motivating, but also just profound as well. So super excited to hear the episode listeners

Joe Quattrone 02:06
tune in. This is going to be a fantastic episode with a lot of high energy for folks in our audience that are veterans. You don’t want to miss this episode. Dave has a lot of heart for the vets and he speaks specifically to a really cool opportunity that’s coming up in April, and he’s invited us; he’s invited our community out to come celebrate with him. A fire walking endeavor and April 13 out in Modesto. So all the vets out there. Pay close attention to this episode. You won’t regret it. Dave Albin is the number one firewalk instructor in America. Firewalking is a 1000 year old rite of passage ritual, where you literally walk across hot burning coals, having worked for Tony Robbins for 19 plus years and starting firewalk productions in 2014. Dave has firewalled hundreds of 1000s of people. He and Tony Robbins set a world record in London in 2005. Walking over 12,300 people. His success has a scary and violent past. On June 8 1988, he put a gun to his head to stop the excruciating pain from both drug and alcohol addiction. 2023 will mark 35 years of sobriety Dave’s clients include Google NASA, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Heineken, ReMax entrepreneurs, organization, Chick fil A crisp video, Mystery Hill YMCA, replace your university, Tony Robbins, T Harv Eker Nate Bailey the four seasons the Omni Hotel, the Waldorf Astoria and so many others. Dave, welcome to the show. Welcome to the fuzzy ish podcast. I’m your host, Joey Q. And as always, we’ve got Jay M. Guthrie and Carrie human. And today we’ve got a special guest with us, Dave Albin, who for you know, those of you who have listened to the intro to this guy, or the bio that I put on the podcast already, he’s got a super interesting background. We’re really excited to talk to him today. And I think his background scratches all three of our itches, you know, like, he can talk about the alcoholism thing, which is definitely a core tenet of what we talked about here. But he’s also done some amazing things with firewalls, which I didn’t think were human in his HR background. I’m going to have to investigate a little bit. And just overall a good guy who loves brands has worked with some of the best brands out there. So Dave, welcome to the show.

Dave Albin 04:27
Thanks, guys. Great. Hey, man. Well,

Joe Quattrone 04:30
If and while we’re touching off on things, Dave, I know you’ve got an important event next year out in California targeted by the vets. I want you to tell me about that in a little bit. The first news broke yesterday that the Senate voted to allow VA doctors to recommend medical marijuana to veterans. And there’s an anticipated House bill that’s going to come down pretty soon. What about that, boys? Let’s go Let’s

Kary Youman 04:55
go what took so long as my first God dang it

JM Guthrie 04:59
Alright, let’s go. Yeah.

Dave Albin 05:01
And let’s quit calling it marijuana. Let’s call it cannabis.

Joe Quattrone 05:05
Um, the actual website that I read it from was called marijuana moments. I don’t think they got the memo yet that we’re trying to destigmatize. Yeah.

JM Guthrie 05:13
I mean, as the guy who tries to keep the stigma, you know, as quiet as possible on this show, Mr. Quattrone, that’s an interesting word for him to use. But I think Carrie and I were thinking the same Dave, as you try hard to try hard to use cannabis. But man, what a cool thing, right? I mean, this is something that’s so profoundly connected to us as a podcast family, but personally, as well as friends outside of this show, and we all feel so strongly about what the impact can be not only for veterans, but just society generally. And it feels like a perfect day to have our boy Dave on to talk about it, especially without what he’s doing to benefit the veterans that we obviously all hold with high esteem close to our hearts. So thanks for joining Dave.

Dave Albin 05:59
Yeah, it’s great to be here, you guys. It’s an honor. Yes, so you know, the idea behind it, you know, being what it is, you know, it’s so interesting if you really go back years and years and years, and you research it, what happened to the difference between cannabis and hemp, right? Because if you look at the plant, they look identical, right? However one of them is medicine and the other one you can build anything with right? I don’t think there’s anything you can’t build with him. You know, Henry Ford made a car out of hemp oil lubricated, the motor was made out of hemp, the fuel that they made to drive the car was made out of hemp. I think I read it one time, it just has the second strongest tensile strength. Second, only the spiderwebs and so you know, when you can make bricks out of it, and build houses out of it, and, and rope and Canvas and food and clothing, you know, obviously they don’t want it out there. Because it gets in the way of plastics and fiberglass and, and Styrofoam and a lot of things that could let’s just say probably be replaced with it. So now that you know it’s it’s sister plant, brother, plant, whatever you want to call it, with cannabis, and they’re gonna legalize it for the military, and for our veterans. My only my I think you guys already said it’s about freaking time. That’s right. And I’m going easy on the language

JM Guthrie 07:24
there. So yeah, we like to ask for it. You can drop in anytime you want your

Dave Albin 07:28
concerns about time you always kind of want to learn my way through the podcast before I started. But yeah, oh, my God, these men and women are suffering immensely. 40 a day. Really? And what? Yeah, and you know, it’s gonna it’s up to the private sector period. There’s, you know, I’m at it right now I’m in it on. I got off the phone today with black rifle coffee company out in Utah. And you know, they’re all veteran owned and, and you know, if you’ve ever seen any of their ads, they’re craziest Fuck, man. They seem serious yet. They’re funny as hell. And they’re a great company. They got a great product. And so I’m talking to them. I’m talking to another company in Utah called mit 45. They make kratom. And then I’m also talking to another company out there called do Terra and they make a really great essential oil. And so with the three those three companies right now is kind of where my focus is, and Zippo. And, you know, I’m going after every event I can get my hands on so yeah, great. April 13. Well, there we are. We’re in Modesto, a great guy out there at Barclay. He’s the president of the rotary out there. And he had been watching me over here on some of these other podcasts. And he knew that I wanted to go into the veterans and see how many we can save. And so he was watching me. Well, the first the first event we were talking about unfortunately, the venue was great, the intent, everything was there. But when the municipality got there to do the site inspection, you know, they showed up with 10 people. When I saw 10 people show up and you know, they had me on Facebook, you know, tapped into it. And when I say oh boy, it’s good. 10 people, no, we don’t need 10 People just way too many cooks in the kitchen. We need one. I need a fire marshal. That’s all I need. And so I knew it was going to unravel and it did. So Edie was over here. And he just said Well listen, man, coming to Modesto. You know, I can get it done. Here. He goes. The sheriff of the town. Here’s one of my good friends. So he was right. So that’s where we’re headed. We’ll be there April 13. Right now we’ve got about 100 vets, it’s probably going to grow to 200, maybe 300. And so we’re going to be inviting any of these corporate accounts who want to come and say look, just come come look at it. Come see me and watch what I’m going to do. And watch the magic happen. Because I’m going to do something that’s just way way more than just the firewalk right? I mean when the event comes back, why did they take their life? Well, you You know, I’ve been in the personal development industry for over three decades, it’s real simple, they loose purpose, man, you’re over there together, you’re fighting together as a unit, you’re keeping each other alive as a unit, you’re eating, sleeping, you’re doing everything together. So your purpose is way up here. And then you come home, and you get fragmented. And now you’re away from all of it. And the next thing, you know, depression sets in purpose comes down, depression goes up. Next thing you know, they’re reaching for something, and reaching for a beer or scotch or some kind of drug and the next thing you know, and then we lose them.

Joe Quattrone 10:35
That’s actually a very good segue, Dave. So, you know, audience members that are out there listening, and we’re gonna get back to this, we’re gonna come full circle and talk about all the good stuff that Dave is going to do out in California next year, all the great stuff he’s doing in market and religion, the fireworks, but I want to rewind the clock, because obviously, you know, while we know that cannabis does a lot of goods, specifically for vets, we also know that alcohol, it’s one of the reasons why we have this podcast does a lot of harm. It’s a very toxic substance. Rewind the clock back to 30 something years ago. I think you said it was to tell us a little bit about your origin story, and how you kind of know, we’re growing up in California and how you started interacting with alcohol, and how that set you on a different trajectory? Sure.

Dave Albin 11:17
Well, if I start at the beginning, you know, a couple of months before I was born, my biological father had to hurt his head somehow we’re not really sure. And they put a plate in his head to save his life. Well, two months before I was born, he told my mom quite often that he didn’t know how much longer he could stay in the pain. And sure enough, two months before I’m born, he turned to her and said, Hey, I’m going to the grocery store. We never heard from him again. So when I was born, I was born to a single mom. And she already had two boys, another cousin and her grandmother. So there were six of us living in a one bedroom apartment in Hollywood, California. Mom’s working at the Roosevelt Hotel. Now she came from that, from that, you know, what I call the greatest generation of all time, which is the one that you know, my parents came from, right because you know, when the men were off fighting the war, my dad’s my dad that raised me my you know, my adoptive dad, he was in Europe fighting the Nazis. My best friend’s dad was in Pearl Harbor fighting the Japanese. Well, when the men were all doing this, guess what the women were doing? Everything, right? So they’re home builder jeeps and tanks. And my mom was known as Rosie the Riveter man. She worked for McDonnell Douglas, she was out on the wings, building airplanes, man driving rivets into the, into the, into the wing. So anyway, she was hard working, and she worked her ass off. But it wasn’t enough. It just wasn’t she, you know, she had six mouths to feed. And so one day she realized she couldn’t feed me anymore. And she went to her older sister Pat, and said, Hey, Pat, I can’t. I can’t be David, when were you adopting? And she said, absolutely. So now my aunt and uncle Bob and Pat Albin. Took me from Hollywood to Long Beach. And so my life changed immensely, obviously. And it was awesome, man. I mean, I had the perfect life. My dad was in the military. He was an officer. We had money. We had a nice house. We went on camping trips, we went all over. And then when I was 11, the first day of summer 1964. Mom came and got me and brought me to the kitchen on the first day of summer and she said, David, we need to tell you something. And, and she looked at me and she had tears in her eyes, and she put her hand on my hand and she said, David, what we need to tell you is we’re not your parents. Okay, what the hell does that mean? What do you mean, you’re not my parents? It’s like walking me outside the blue sky, and they go, Oh, the sky is not blue. It looks pretty blue to me. So the bottom line was, you know, she went on to tell me that my aunt Dean was my mother. And I remember thinking, I don’t even like her. You know, she’s on a trip, right? Because here’s, here’s the thing. Every time she was around me, she wanted to be around me. Right? Like she wanted to hold me and kiss me and hug me and, and you know, well done. I was her son. But hell, I didn’t know that was going on. I didn’t know that’s what was going on then. Right. So shortly after they told me this again, this is on the first day of summer. 1964. About a week later, two weeks later, they both started drinking. They had sworn off alcohol when they adopted me and five. And things got ugly really fast. Bob, not a nice guy when he’s drinking. Violent, horrible guy, when he’s sober, great guy. Not when he’s drinking Pat. On the other hand, she was more of a funny drunk kind of, uh, you know, passed out a lot, that kind of thing. And so one day they went to the grocery store and I knew where the booze was. They were hiding it in plain sight, and went over to the cabinet and pulled out the bottle. It was a half gallon bottle of brandy, took her coffee cup. It filled its halfway boom at 11 years old. And you know what, gentlemen, you will appreciate this. I never had a chance. I was an alcoholic on the spot. There was a lot of alcoholism. There’s a lot of alcoholism in my family. And it just got progressively worse from there. But at times When I was a junior in high school, right? They brought me in one day to the principal’s office and said, Alvin, you’re a threat to our school, you’re done. And so I was okay with that. I didn’t care, it didn’t bother me. I didn’t care if I was in high school or not. I didn’t think there was anything they were gonna teach me, it was gonna help me make money. Anyway, there was a song back then by Paul Simon. And one of the lyrics of that song was when I think back of all the crap I learned in high school, it’s a wonder I can think at all right, that was like my theme song. And so, yeah, just you know, then drugs came into the scene. And, and the next thing I know, I’ll fast forward with this. I’m in my third marriage. It’s June, it’s June 8 1988. I’m married to a woman, she’s got three kids. I’m in really bad shape. I’m living in the basement. They’re living upstairs. And when I woke up that morning, I said, That’s it. I’m done. I am not doing this anymore. And so my only thought in that moment was to stop the pain, the excruciating emotional and physical pain was to put a bullet in my head. And as I loaded the pistol, I put it in my mouth. And I’m thinking, You know what, hold on a second, man. Because when you pull that trigger, maybe your problems are over, but the problems for your family upstairs, they just begin, you’re gonna ruin those three kids’ lives upstairs, you can’t do that. Suck it up, out, come up with another way, you got to figure out another way around this. And so the next thing I know, I’ve got a thought in my head called Alcoholics Anonymous. Well, you know what’s interesting about that gentleman? I don’t even know who the hell AAA is at that moment. I didn’t know anybody in a I’ve never been to an AAA meeting. And yet, there it is. And so I did. I called and I got a wonderful woman on the other end of the phone. And over the years, I mean, this woman saved my life, no doubt about it. And I have affectionately nicknamed her match over the years. And the reason I did is because she talked like this. She probably smoked two packs a pop all nine filters a day. She was an ass woman, woman, man, she was in my shit. She was asking me questions. I mean, she’s the gatekeeper. Right. So that’s her job. And so if you talk to her the right way, and you answer the right questions, she’ll actually call somebody to come get you. Right. And apparently, I must have said enough things. And she did. She sent a guy to come get me. His name’s Lauren. And he came and picked me up that day and took me to my first AAA meetings because I went to a 1230 a 430 to 630 at an 830. And as you know, when you get to a by the way, it’s an all men’s group, they give you one of these bad boys right? 24 hour chip with the Serenity Prayer on the back. And they also took a big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, and they opened up the front cover and they wrote before you take that first drink, called one of us and they put their first name and their phone number, and then they sent me home with that. Well, the next morning, I’m a struggling man, guys, remember, man, I’m grossly addicted to heroin, cocaine, alcohol. I am struggling. It’s hard. And my phone rings at like eight o’clock in the morning. And it’s this guy, John from a and I pick up the phone. Hello. And he goes, hey, hey, Dave. It’s John from where he goes, how are you feeling this morning? And I’m thinking, How do you think I’m feeling? I want to kill somebody and I might start with you calling me at eight o’clock in the morning. He’s like, John’s a really cool guy. He’s like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I hear Yeah. You said, Hey, man, listen, last time we were talking. I know where you live. I live right around the corner from you. You said let me do this. Let me come pick you up. And let me come take you to breakfast. Threaten this guy. And what’s he doing? He pulls up to my house and picks me up. takes me to breakfast. It takes me to an AAA meeting. That’s it, man. That’s that for you. That’s how it works. And so two days turned into a week, a week turned into a month and in a month. I got another chip that I got, what a two months, three months, six months, nine months in one year. And yeah, I picked up this one last year, on June 8 for 35 years. 35. So congratulations,

JM Guthrie 18:51
man. Thanks, guys. What a story and I didn’t want to stop you. But when you explained or shared that moment of clarity about the people upstairs. Like God bless you. Because you’re right. And, you know, to all the points that you’ve made, I’m sitting here crying, just listening to that story. But to all the other stuff you talked about earlier about the 40 a day, if only they could have had that clarity, because there’s 40 people that left those three kids with a life to figure out and I mean, who we talked about lightweight, middleweight and heavyweight on this call on this podcast in regards to our consumption of substance and carry. I think we might have our super heavyweight joining us today. So my Yeah,

Kary Youman 19:42
I was just gonna chime in. I really appreciate you sharing that. There was a moment when you expressed sort of like this frustration like it was kind of like this catalyst moment when you, you know, put the gun to your mouth. But I’m just curious, like, what has your experience been with your intuition because it sounds like you had a couple of different voices. He’s kind of going off in your head. And the voice you chose was sort of his voice of reason that kind of led you down a brighter path. Have you always been in touch with that intuition? If not, if so, could you just tell us a little bit more about how you knew to kind of latch on to that voice and not the other one?

Dave Albin 20:15
Yeah. And that’s exactly what it is, you know, I’ve got my little good guy who jumps up on my right shoulder, and I got the little asshole and he jumps up on the left shoulder. This guy over here on the left is telling me, you know, run the red light, you know, screw that girl, do this, do that all the shit you’re not supposed to do. And this one over here is I’ve been tuned into him for a long time, then he was the one that was basically hold on, man, do it. No, no, no, no, no, no, you’re gonna ruin those kids’ lives. And so I’ve had a conversation with some people in psychiatry and psychology. And they both said the same thing. Dude, you had a moment of compassion? Because you thought about someone else, rather than just yourself, right? Put a bullet in your health and end it all on your own? Well, you’re a self centered shithead? I mean, yeah, that’s really great. No, absolutely not. And that’s something that I’m going to incorporate into the Do No Harm operation, do no harm, right? Because here’s what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna when these vets come to the firewalk, here’s what we’re going to do. And I’m so glad you asked this question. Because the first thing I’m going to get them to do, and when I get them in the room, they’re going to take an oath, I’m going to have them swear to do no harm to themselves or anybody else. And you know, when veterans take an oath, guess why? They follow through on it, right. So that’s the first step, one of the other things we’re going to do is after they do the firewalk, I’m going to bring it back in the room, we’re going to give them a medallion. And the Medallion is going to be an operation that does no harm. And it might have the Serenity Prayer on the back. We don’t know yet. But I want them to put it in their hands. And I’m going to make them and I’m going to tell them, I want you to squeeze that thing as hard as you possibly can. I mean, I want you to feel all the pain you can imagine from that point as much as you can stand. Because that my friends is just a little tiny example of the pain that your friends and family are going to suffer through if you take your own life. So you know what I mean. So we’re going to fully associate them to that intention, right? Because we all have it, we have our instincts, we have our intuition, we just have to get them dialed into it. And then of course, there’s a bunch of other things I’m going to do with the firewalk as well to get them in the trench to get them involved to raise that purpose back up for them. Because I also want them to recruit, you know, call it a multi level marketing program. I don’t care what you call it, man. You know, it’s it’s, it’s my way of implementing Amway, if you will, into the process, because now once we’ve got them over here, I want them to go recruit. And so you know, I’m pretty sure gentlemen, this is going to go viral. And so again, the whole idea just comes back to you guys know, right, what is a say, you got the 12 steps over here. And that changes your life, you got the 12 traditions that keep this group as a whole moving the right way. Well, in the middle is the preamble. And the preamble, and I’ve lived by this creed ever since I heard it. And that was when anyone anywhere reaches out, I want the hand of a to be there. And for that I’m responsible.

Joe Quattrone 23:16
So we’ve learned a little bit more about your free history, king of the early days of substance abuse and stuff like that. But real quick for those of our listeners who don’t know, fireworks, and I just want a quick plug fuzzy ish, podcast.com. That’s where all of you can go and catch up with all of our episodes. But in this particular episode, we’re talking about Dave Albin. He’s known as one of the world’s foremost fire walking experts. Tell us what firewalking is. I know it’s been around for 1000s of years, but I’m pretty sure that not every one of our listeners knows what we’re talking about here.

Dave Albin 23:47
Yeah, right. So the act itself is you build a big fire, and you let it burn for hours and you burn hardwood and then it renders and then when it renders, it lays out, you’ve got this big pile of beautiful coals. And basically what you do depending on the size of the show, like when I was with Tony, we set a world record in London in 2005. So we built a big ass fire and let it burn all day. And then at the end, what we do as we take wheelbarrows over to that pit, and we load the wheelbarrows, or excuse me load the coals in a wheelbarrow. Then we take the wheelbarrow and we lay two lanes of sod on the side of that wheelbarrow. And sod meaning grass, which is about three feet wide. It’s about 15 to 18 feet long. And then we take a flathead shovel into that wheelbarrow and we sprinkle those coals on top of the grass, and that’s what you walk on. So it’s literally firewalking, but as you said, 1000 years old, you know firewalking has been used for a rite of passage. It’s a ceremony. It’s a graduation, it’s a birth, it’s a lot of different things. So if you look at the positions or the people of India, or the Polynesians, the Hawaiians, the Native American Indian As people of Portugal, Spain, it’s been all over in the West, we’re just not that you were not that familiar with it until Tony Robbins brought it here some 30 years ago. And he researched it. He knew he knew what the act was. I, to my knowledge, I don’t think there’s anything you can have somebody do that is a firewalk that will be that life changing and cause such a huge paradigm shift. Because I’ll tell you this, when it’s your turn to walk, and you walk up to those coals and you look down, and they’re bright red, and that wheelbarrows there and you feel the heat coming off. Your shit shows up. It’s your turn, man. And you know what, like, Oprah said, her firewalk, she’s like, after after she did her firewalk in 2010. The cameras go with her and they’re interviewing her and she’s looking back at the fire. And she’s going, you know, this was unreasonable. You know, she goes after mammals, in fact, the one from fire. Right? And but what’s interesting about Oprah’s firewalk is that number one, you can see what’s been going on in her head before. And then you can see what happens immediately. Once she gets to the other side. She’s jumping up and down and celebrating like a child. She’s losing her shit. She’s so happy. And then the cameras go over with her. And then she makes one of the biggest business decisions of her life. Right there on camera. She created what’s called the next chapter. Now I’ve firewalled 10s of 1000s of people and I’ve seen it. I know I was in the same position. When it was my turn to firewalk out and when I went to my first event, I’m like, Oh, hell no, I’m not doing that. That’s some crazy shit. Yeah, I want to see Tony, because he’s got great content, so I’m not gonna do the firewalk. I dismissed it. And I got some help from one of 20 people. And when I walked in the fire, there were 3500 people. It was exhilarating. You guys, I’m telling you, man. When you get to the other side, you’re jumping up and down. Your self belief, your self confidence, your self worth discos food. And at that moment, you think you can do anything. I mean, literally, it’s like looking around going, hey, people, where’s the bus? Let’s go climb Everest. I mean, holy shit. So the reward of the act itself is immediate. You don’t have to wait a week or a day. No, that shit pays off right now. But I’ll tell you where the most interesting part for me was in how I ended up being where I am today in the firewalking community. And that was. So when I went to Tony’s event, it’s a four day event. We do the firewalk on day one, the night thereof. And then the next day on day two, when we all came in after the firewalk I’ve never seen or witnessed anything like it in my entire life. People were so genuine, they were so humanistic. They’re standing in the foyer getting ready to go into the venue, right? And man, they’re talking and they’re laughing, and they’re hugging and crying. And I’m sitting back and I’m watching. I’m like, holy shit. What did we do? Did we drink the Kool Aid last night? Well, we sure as hell did. Right. And so I’ve never seen anything like it other than a Tony Robbins seminar. And so what happened from there later on? In the event, I met one of Tony’s trainers. And I’m talking to him, and I’m like, So dude, being in this environment on a regular basis. Must be frickin awesome. And he’s like, oh, yeah, I’m here. You know, I’m here. 1012 events every year. And any and I said, Man, that would be so awesome to be in this environment, because it’s so it’s so therapeutic. It’s so encouraging and motivating. I mean, you’re because you’re in there with other like minded people, right? It’s like being in class with a bunch of Navy SEALs, if you will. And all of a sudden, so So he says, Hey, listen, you see all those people over there with the black shirts with the red riding on it? I’m like, yeah, he goes to those are volunteers. They’re just like you. They came to the vet came to a firewalk. And they’ve come back as a volunteer to get back. He said, so if you want to put yourself in this environment when you go call Robins research, and ask for a volunteer crew application. And so I did. Well, nine weeks later, I got a letter in the mail, said Dave album, congratulations. You’ve been selected a crew with The Anthony Robbins companies. And that’s how it all really kind of came together. Because when I got to AAA, I had insomnia. Really bad. And so I was up late at night all the time. My sleep patterns were all over the place. And I was up late one night, three o’clock in the morning, and guess who was on the infomercial? Tony Robbins man there he was, you know, and I couldn’t stand his ass when I first saw him on TV. I thought what a pompous ass man. He’s all motivated and yet, right. And I’m not motivated. I’m miserable, right? But when I was watching the infomercial, he said two things that completely got me. The first one he said was, we’ll do more to avoid pain than we will to gain pleasure. Well, anybody that’s got substance abuse knows what that’s like, right? Because we’re either chasing something pleasurable or we’re running away from pain, right with alcohol and drugs. So that resonated with me, but the one that really got me was, he said the deciding factor or life? In other words, how do we make decisions in life? He said, they come from either inspiration or desperation. And I remember thinking holy shit, you know, it’s like he was talking directly to me. And so I bought his program. He was selling a program called the personal power 30 Day program for total success. He called it sell, buy, get gothy rancor. And it came in a big box and I ordered it and it came on these little white things called cassette tapes. Right. And, you know, some of your listeners are gonna go What the hell is a cassette tape? There is a Smithsonian, they’re right next to a realtor reel in eight track tapes, right. And so yeah, man, I plugged it in, and I went through it. I did what Tony taught me to do. And you know, the next thing, boom, boom, boom series of events. I ended up working for a man just shy of 20 years. Wow, amazing.

Joe Quattrone 30:52
Well, let’s give us a little bit the highlights over those 20 years, like I know, you, you said that you’ve walked 10s of 1000s of people. Are there any people that stand out or anybody that taught you lessons along the way other than Tony, every

Dave Albin 31:04
single one of them? Yeah, I’ve literally walked the numbers or, you know, and I don’t say this normally, because it’s not believable. But it’s true. We’ve walked close to a half a million people. I mean, hell, Tony. And I set a world record in London in 2005. We walked 12,300 people right there in one event, which was a world record. Now, I want to be clear here. The Guinness Book was not there. So it was never documented. But here’s what I know. There’s never been a firewalk anywhere close to 12,000 people anywhere in the world other than another Tony Robbins seminar. And to your question. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, my kids, man, you know, so what happened was that when I started to work, and for Tony, when he asked me to take over all of his fireworks globally, in 2003, I said, Tony, I don’t, I can’t really do that. I homeschool my kids. You know, he stepped right up and he went with SOAP. I paid to have your family travel with us. Would that help? Yeah, it might TR. It just might. So yeah, so my family traveled with us on the road. In fact, their first event was in Sydney, Australia. But when they did their first firewalk in New York, in 2002. My daughter was six. My son was nine years old. And so we’re at New York, we’re doing the event and Tony knew that my kids were going to walk that night because he had been pre framed. And they were standing over there in the shadows, man. And after we walked all the participants, Tony waved him over and here they come. My kids, a six year old little girl and my son who’s nine, and Tony Vinny came up to the lane and I took her by one hand and he took her by the other across the fire. She went at six years old. My son Davey stepped up, Tony looked at him and said, I love you and I love your daddy go. You know that would give me so yeah. You never forget that. You just it’s so ingrained in my mind. There’s a ton there’s a ton of people, you know, I love them all. There was one that stood out tremendously. We walked this young man in Tampa. So what happened? This kid was a collegiate athlete in high school. And he got hit by a drunk driver. And he lost both legs. And so his whole life just went to shit. You know that quick, right? And so he can’t run. He can’t jump. He can’t do anything. Right. He’s thinking he’ll never marry him and never have kids. I mean, his whole life is deteriorating, and he depression sitting in and he’s contemplating suicide. Well, one of his friends apparently said, Hey, I know you love Tony Robbins. He’s coming to town. Why don’t you go see Tony, before you, you know, make a decision. That’s a, you know, a permanent answer to a temporary problem. And so next thing I know, we’re out there, you know, we typically do these things after midnight, so it’s dark. And I can’t. I’m on Tony’s lane. Right. So I’ve shoveled his calls and done all that. And all of a sudden Tony stops and he looks back at me. And he makes me look like holy shit. I think we’re gonna see something really cool. And all of a sudden, here comes this kid man. And he’s got this wheelchair, I don’t know how to call it 3.0 kind of a turbo wheelchair, you know, you can move it around kind of a thing. Probably made of titanium. And so he wheels the wheelchair up to, you know, to the fire lane. And Tony bends down to say something to him. And this kid pushes him off. I go, No, I’ve got this man gone. And all of a sudden that kid man moved his wheelchair. And the next thing you know, had a lot of upper body strength and he positioned his torso. And he flipped himself boom landed on his hands and walked across the fire on his hands.

Joe Quattrone 34:46
Holy smokes.

Dave Albin 34:48
So right so that was one of those moments where you go okay, I get it. That’s pretty cool. That’s pretty interesting. Right? So but there was a lot of that right? I mean, cuz it. Then, when you look at the apprehension on somebody’s face when they’re standing, you know, in the staging area of the fire lane, and then, you know, four seconds later they go from oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, right? It’s that quick. And so it’s just a beautiful thing to watch. And I invite you guys, you know, if you guys can come to Modesto, you know, come out Be my guest, you guys can be a part, you can hang out and watch us do what we do and did the

Joe Quattrone 35:27
fuzzy firewalk and hang out with you guys.

JM Guthrie 35:30
Just had a question real quick on the firewalk. Thing is, is there something? Obviously there’s an almost spiritual reaction? And that manifests as part of the action itself? Yeah. Is there a scientific definition? Like, what is it that happens that allows you to do that? Can we get some in your? Yeah, so

Dave Albin 35:51
I get asked all the time. So the coals are 1000 degrees, right? How the hell can you walk on coals and 1000 degrees and burn the shit out of yourself? And my answer is, I don’t have a freaking clue. I don’t know. I mean, I’ve got my own hallucinations, you know, you know, it’s like, if you if you look at MMA fighters, right, when they’re going into the ring, or professional athlete or an Olympian, or whatever, or even maybe you’re going out on Broadway for the first time, right, you got a certain intensity, your body is, you know, you’re, you’re moving it right. And so when you have that much emotion going on in your head plus motion of your body, there’s a lot of energy that’s being put out through your hands and through your feet, you can literally have cameras that can take pictures of the energy coming out of your feet in your hands. So I don’t know, maybe that’s part of it. I think for me, it’s more of a belief system. It’s more of a mindset. It’s like, if I walk out and submit, and I say that I pay homage to the fire I trusted I believe in it. And I show love and, and take my and my egos in check. I could walk across it all day long. You know, the firewalk show, we do a Tony here. 15 To 18 feet long. We’ve done Life Mastery with Tony and it’s 40 feet. I’ve made a 100 foot firewall. So you know, and can you burn yourself? Absolutely. Of course you can. The coals are 1000 degrees. But here’s what I tell people: look so you get a little blister on your foot. So what, who cares? At the end of the day, life is gonna kick your ass. And here’s what I know : what we don’t overcome our fears. We don’t ever come to our limits. And we know pretty much in the world of sports and things, everything else is that, you know, again, it just comes down to fear. Right? Because what doesn’t challenge you doesn’t change you. Right? Right. You don’t you don’t become a Navy SEAL by sitting in a classroom, you become a Navy SEAL when they put your happy ass out and in the water three o’clock in the morning off the coast of San Onofre so that you can swim seven types of killer sharks, right? So that’s really it, there’s a really powerful energy that goes on. Now. You know, we teach that at you know, when I do my fireworks, but I also teach the other way to do it. Because the Cherokee Indians and a lot of the other cultures around the world, they don’t firewalk that way. They just walk up, they look up, they trust, they put their hands up in the air, and they just walk. So it’s either or my thing is I tell people look, just make sure you got your ego in check. I’ve seen guys, you know, when we’re getting when they bring everybody out to do the firewalk every once in a while you see these guys, and this always man. And here. They come. They’re got their ego and they’re running out there. And then they run up to the fire lane and they start screaming at the fire. Like I own you, man, you’re mine. I’m going Oh, dude, I wouldn’t do that. If I were you. You mean, this may not work out well for you. And literally, when they go out they take the first step or the second step. And they’re happy as they jump off the lane. And so the fire is not going to allow that. You know, again, there’s some real magic going on out there you guys. But I don’t pretend to know or understand the science. All I know is that you know you if you bring the right attitude and the right mindset to the fire and you are again very humble about what you’re going to do. You can walk across it all day long. And you won’t, you won’t even get a little blister.

Joe Quattrone 39:25
So you’re not with Tony anymore. But you run your own business. Now you’re an entrepreneur, and companies from all over the world pay you to come out and put on these fireworks. Tell us a little bit more because Carrie, a human or co host over here has an extensive background in HR and people management in the corporate world. Tell us a little bit about some of those companies and why they want their employees to go on fire walks.

Dave Albin 39:51
Great question. So this is my very first corporate job. So in 2014 I’m working for Tony and driving down the road my phone rings Guess who it is? Google. So Google is calling me and they’re like, Hey, are you Dave Albin doing the firewalk for Tony Robbins, yeah. What can I do for you? They said, Well, if you’re not under any contractual obligation or non compete, we’d like to talk to you about hiring you. Like, okay, well homeboys, a free agent, what you got. And so they had 148 executives that were graduating from a nine month curriculum that Google and the University of North Carolina had written the curriculum for. So they wanted to do the graduation. And then they wanted to do the paradigm shift experience to anchor it in. Right? Google knows something we don’t know. Not exactly. So and then they wanted to do then they wanted to have lunch. So when they originally talked to me, they wanted to do it in the middle of the day. And guys, you can’t do it in the middle of the day, we have to do it at night, I’ve got to be able to see the calls, I gotta be able to see the color, the temperature, so I can regulate it. And I do that by hitting it with a shovel. And there’s things that I do right to do that. And I said, so we can’t really do the firewalk during the day unless you want to move it to that evening. I said, No, I’ll tell you what we could do. We could do a glass walk. And there are there like a glass walk you mean walk on broken glass? I’m like, Yeah, then they’re like, ooh,

Joe Quattrone 41:15
Tell us about that. And so please give me some pain, please. Yeah,

Dave Albin 41:20
yeah, we weren’t. So you know, how do you walk on glass? It’s called physics. It’s real simple. So the bottom line is we got in there. And I did Google twice. We did. We did one one year. And then we did it the following year. But here’s the thing, here’s what Google knows. Here’s what here’s what big companies know. Look back to what I said, what doesn’t challenge you doesn’t change. If you want a corporate event, and you take them golfing, what do you think that’s going to cause some kind of life changing? You know, experience? No, they’re gonna be pissed off because John wins the damn thing every single year. They hate John anyway. And you know, they’re we are playing golf, or you’re playing blackjack, or you’re gonna, you know, whatever kind of event that they want to try to put together. Right? So the bottom line is, if you want a paradigm shift, then you’re gonna have to do something that causes motion and emotion to come together at the same time. That’s what changes people, right. So that’s and from Google. The next thing is, and by the way, after I did Google, I went back to Tony, that’s when I retired. And and so after Google, I went to NASA, and then Notre Dame, and then Virginia Tech, and then REMAX Chick fil A and Microsoft and Heineken and YMCA and high schools. I mean, it just came to me from every angle, everything from a high school, all the way to Google everything in between. So when people come to me, typically there’s three things going on. One, they’re in a shitter. The company’s got dissension, everybody’s arguing nobody’s getting along. Everybody loves Donald Trump. Everybody hates Donald Trump. No, I’m not wearing a mask. Fuck your mask. I’m not, you know, I’m getting a vaccine. I’m not getting it. Oh, shut the fuck up already. Because all that’s gonna do is create dissension within the tribe. We know that right? If everybody’s not getting along, and they’re fighting about a bunch of worthless bullshit, then what’s going to happen? production goes down. And any good CEO knows if they don’t fix it. Well, what do you think the shareholder is going to do? Out you go Mr. CEO, so you better fix it. So that’s one right if they bring me in to help correct the dissension. Another time they hire me is when their things are okay. It’s not bad. It’s not good. It’s not bad. But they need a shot in the arm, boom, they hire me to come in and do that. I have been hired when they are kicking ass. And I love that one I love coming in. Because now they’re already up there in that 98th percentile, and they want to kick it up just a little bit higher. Or maybe they’re launching a product or something like this. So typically, when somebody hires me, they know that I’m going to come in and create an extremely powerful evening for the troops. So when they come in on Monday morning, you get a whole different group and how they’re getting along. Now, here’s something I did for them that I’m designing now, for the veterans, right. So as I mentioned earlier, they’re going to take an oath. The other thing I’m going to do with that is I’m going to bring in the board break, right martial arts, any dojo in America, when you go through their process, their belt graduations, every time you get a belt and you graduate, you’re probably going to break a board with something, your hand, your elbow, your knee, your foot, whatever. And then you graduate, right. So it’s been around in martial arts for years. So I took the board break experience. And here’s what I did. I want them to write something in front of the board they want to move toward. I ever write something on the back of the board that they need to move away from. And then I have them write anybody’s name on the board that they’re in conflict with. We need to clear that shit out right? Because forgiveness or reconciliation is part of the relationship that you have with this individual. That shit is over tonight. You’re gonna give it to the fire, and then to create the rite of passage. I have them write anybody’s name on the board that they’ve lost. Now for a veteran if they lost somebody when they were deployed, right, that brings that to, you know, their energy, if you will, and their love to the actual experience. So once they fill all that out, we take them outside, we have board break stations, and then we’ll just have them break the board. And then they take the board, they throw it into the fire. Now, obviously, we’re gonna get that on, on video, and still pictures of that. And then after, do they do that, they do the firewalk. And then here’s kind of the icing on the cake. After they’ve done the board break, thrown the board in the fire, they’ve done the firewalk, then I’m going to put up what I call a heart hug. And so instead of hugging this way, like we normally do, right, I do it the opposite way. So that way, my heart is sitting on the other person’s heart. And then I have them take three cleansing breaths, deep diaphragmatic breathing tons of oxygen into the diaphragm. And when we come into or out of that second breath, typically somewhere right in that part, your hearts calibrate. So they start beating at the same time. Now, I’ll do that several times, probably close to six times. And you know, every time I do that, basically what I do is I have a look across and say, I say find somebody and once you make eye contact with them, don’t take your eyes off. Now go to that person. So again, that’s how I set it all up. Now when I first set it up, they had no idea what I’m doing. Other than the whole idea is to get, you know, everybody’s heart to be beating at the same time. Then once we’ve done that, then like I said, I take them back in, I put the coin in their hand, they squeeze it, they associate the pain to what’s going to happen to their family or friends, if they take their own life. Another thing that’s happening in that process is we’re gonna give them a necklace if we have a necklace, right? It’s got my logo on it. So we’re gonna give them one of these. Another thing we give them is one of these. I don’t know if you can see that. But that’s the coal from their firewalk right. So it’s gonna say on the front front operation, do no harm. And then it will say I fire walked in 2024 so they get to take that home with them. And then Zippo, I went to them when I was there a couple of weeks ago, and I said, Hey, will you guys design one for the vets? And they said, Oh, absolutely. So here’s what Zippo is gonna do. They’re gonna take a 1941 replica of the lighters that they made during World War Two. And when in World War Two, you guys don’t know this, but Zippo gave out their lighters, they gave them away, and they gave them to go so they got deployed to Germany, or to go fight the Germans. I know, my dad had one. And so they’re gonna take the 1941 replica, they’re going to powder coated black, and then they’re going to laser in operation, do no harm. And it’s going to kind of give it a 3d look at almost glow in the dark. They’re going to be freaking gorgeous. And we’re going to give those to the vets as well.

Joe Quattrone 47:57
I’ve never wanted a lighter so bad that’s amazing. That’s so cool. So one question I have for you because I know a lot of people that do extreme things just for the sake of doing extreme things like doing the polar plunge and stuff like that. Where do you rank the coals and doing the fireworks in comparison to cold plunges are jumping out of airplanes and stuff like that, like for the thrill seekers out there and people that are already kind of on a me total journey where they’re trying to better their life, but they want to still experience something cool like this, like, where do you put Firewalkers? At the very top? Is it somewhere in the middle?

Dave Albin 48:32
It has to be way, way at the top because you can jump out of an airplane. And that’s not necessarily going to change your life. You’re a thrill seeker. Okay, great. What’s next? Like you said, cold plunge. Now i i Cold Shower every morning, I live up here in the Appalachian Mountains. It’s cold, my water’s coming out of the out of the ground. And when I do it every morning, it’s cold. Now have I done a cold plunge? Yes. Would I do another one? Sure. But it’s again, it’s not it’s not there’s something about the fire. There’s something about looking down at that lane, and it’s 18 feet long. And those coals are glowing bright red, and that wheelbarrow is there and you feel that heat and we’ve all burned ourselves. And we know how painful that is. Right? So there’s a certain association to that because the fire is so mysterious anyway, right? Because who hasn’t spent a really wonderful evening sitting around a nice warm fire making s’mores with your friends and family and created these magical magical moments and memories, right? And on the other hand, fire will you know there’s nothing more painful than a burn nothing. And that’s why I love this whole idea about cannabis. You know, a lot of these guys have been hurt and burned really badly. And that’s going to help with the relief of that. So, you know, from my perspective, because I have done a lot of that extreme stuffs. I served growing up in Southern California, you know, some pretty big waves and you know, you’re out there in the elements and all that and I’ve done you know climbed to To have volcanoes and things of this nature, and that’s all cool. It’s all fun. And it’s, you know, really, really neat and say, oh, you know, I did that. But again, back to the firewalk. There’s something about it. It’s absolutely magical. And the other part of that is that some of those things some people physically just can’t do, right? Whereas, you know, like the kid that fire walked on his hands, right? He made that possible, because, and that’s another thing that we do, we try to get everybody across the fire. We’ve had people that didn’t have any legs, and they didn’t have that upper body strength to be able to do it that way. And so what we do is we take a ladder, and we lay them on a ladder, then we carry the ladder, that could be four of us. And we can lower them down, and they can actually walk across the fire on their hands as well. So that’s a really long answer to, I’m going to leave it up there at the top. Okay,

Joe Quattrone 50:48
real quick, tying it back into alcohol and substance abuse and stuff like that, while we’re getting ready to wrap up the show here. No, when something that you said that was super interesting, to me about your origin story with alcohol was that from the moment it touched your lips who are addicted. Now, 35 years later, having not had haven’t not consumed alcohol, because it was so severe for you. Do you still have to take daily precautions to not drink alcohol?

Dave Albin 51:20
Well, it’s alcoholism. It’s not alcohol wasn’t. If I was to pick up a drink today, having 35 years I’d be dead in less than probably 24 hours. It didn’t go away. It’s never gonna go away. So from that perspective, I have to give it a tremendous amount of respect. And I still go to AAA. I still go pick up my chip, you know, every year and all that. Do I have one? Do I have any thoughts of drinking? No, I haven’t had a thought and, uh, you know, I can’t remember. But again, there is a certain respect that I have for it. And I you know, I’ve never ever entertained the idea that oh, hey, Dave, you’re okay, now bullshit. No, I’m not. I’m not going there. You know, I wish to watch this all the time. Guys would come in and they get about a month sober and they turn around and go back out. Right? And then they come back in. And when they came back in, they always looked a little worse. Not once. Did they ever come back and go, Hey, guys, I figured this shit out. Give me your let me show you what to do. Right? That never happened. And I remember thinking, you know, and they come back in. They always said the same shit. Every single time they go out and come back. Here’s what they say. I just thought I was, you know, okay. I thought I had a month of sobriety. I thought I had a year, I thought, You know what I mean? And I thought to myself, You know what? If you ever go out and drink and come back, just do me a favor, man, let’s go my little guy on my shoulder. I go and don’t come back in and bullshit. These guys. You don’t come back and think, oh, you know, I thought I was okay. Because I’ve never believed that ever pay

JM Guthrie 52:51
the man paid? Absolutely.

Dave Albin 52:53
Sure.

Joe Quattrone 52:54
So we’d like to do a little segment called products or practice. And that’s why I was kind of leading up to that. So like, for example, you know, when people are going through their walk with sobriety or trying to live a better life, it’s not just the liquid itself that you have to replace. It’s the rituals that you have to replace around it. So for me, you know, I used to run big, huge beer accounts for Gary Vee back in the day, I couldn’t just replace the bottle, I had to replace going to the bar, I had to ask to be off of the AB InBev accounts. So I could do other types of work. I had to move out to New York to get away from bar culture. What are some of the things that you’ve done over the years to like, get yourself in the right mindset so that you don’t have any relapses?

Dave Albin 53:37
Well, first of all, I worked a package deal when they gave it to me when I got in. I mean, I knew how sick I was, right? The day I got there, I put a pistol in my mouth. So it wasn’t like I was like, you know, well, you know, maybe you’re okay. You know, I got a sponsor. I worked the steps. I didn’t believe in anything spiritual. But I started praying and my sponsor told me to get on my knees when I did it. Read the literature, do the service work, help other alcoholics achieve sobriety? I mean, I was all in my mindset, I’m all in. In fact, you know if any of the guys where I got sober would have told me Listen, Dave, today, we want you to go to Times Square, give you two hours to draw a crowd, and we want you to kiss our ass when we get there. I’d have done it. Right. If I didn’t, I would have done nothing. Because you know, it’s interesting for you guys. At that moment, when I got to the only two places I ever felt at home, was in an AAA meeting that grew and developed or some shitty little grungy bar somewhere where you might get your head blown off. So I could sit in the corner back there and just drink and talk shit and scream and cry and carry on and act like a fool. Right. So I guess I never really I never, I don’t think I was well once you know again, because I was so sick up front. I was at it every day For almost two years, and again, you know, I think there’s a three year recovery there, right? You have the physical recovery, you have the spiritual recovery, and you have the emotional recovery. And so it took me about three years to get to that through that part. But for, you know, luck, luckily, lucky me, you know, like, like, the hat says, right? Live luck. I’ve never entertained the idea of trying or thinking ever that I could have another drink of alcohol. Shout

Joe Quattrone 55:33
out to our friends over at Alcoholics Anonymous, German. Boys, you got any other questions to wrap up here with Dave? Or should we move on to plugging some of your future events?

Kary Youman 55:43
I do have a quick one. I feel like we tried to address it earlier. But like Dave, what do you think changes for most people, you know, between the time when they see those calls up close, and they’re like, you know, hell no, I’m not doing this to, to actually walk on over the coals. And you know, being like, well, I just did that. What else can I do? Like, are you all sort of pumping them up? Like, what? What changes for people? Well,

Dave Albin 56:03
One, that’s a great question, man. That’s, I love that the way you articulated that, because the bottom line is that typically when we’re fearful, because a lot of times fear is nothing more than exhilaration without the breath. Like so we’re holding our breath. But you get scared, you go on, you’re on a roller coaster? And yes, at the top, what do you do you right, off the edge, you go, right, I do the opposite here, I get them to breathe. Because normally when they walk up, I’m watching them very closely. If you know, I firewalk 1000s of people so I can look at their physiology, I could look at the look on their face. And a lot of times you can I can tell, like I just did a firewalk here last weekend for a local client here, the river girls. And so you know, a lot of times I can look in their face. And I can see that they’re walking for something bigger than them, a cause bigger than them. Like, you know, they’ve lost somebody in their life, or whatever. I can see it in their faces. And so I’ll bring that up. I’ll say so you’re here to walk for something other than you tonight, aren’t you? And they always say yes. That said, All right, great. I love it. So that’s your purpose. Alright, so not now take a nice deep breath in for me and hold it. And so now they think in a nice deep breath, right. And then when they come up there, one of the things they’re staring at is the coals. So one of the first things I say is eyes up. So now their eyes are up. Now keep your eyes up. Now take a nice deep breath in for me and hold it. And then I’ll have them do that three times. And so now you get a lot of oxygen into their body, right. And so the fear starts to stabilize, the exhilaration comes up. And then when I say now when you exhale, I’m gonna say three to one, and you’re ready to go. And so they exhale 321, boom, and I walk with every single client, I walk right alongside of them. And I stop. And I and I say stop, wipe your feet and celebrate one of the things I’m going to be doing, and I’m just now getting the good. And I’m also going to be doing this for the veterans, we’re going to have essential oils. So when you get to that celebration side, right, it’s exhilarating. So you’re in a peak state, you feel amazing. Well, the first thing we’re going to do is say stop, wipe your feet, smell this, right? And as soon as they do that, what’s going to happen? It’s going to program their central nervous system, right? So it’s just like a song. We know how that works, right? You play a really cool song. Yes, I love this song. And it brings you out of wherever you are into a really awesome place. Same thing here even but it’s stronger. So this way, we’re going to be able to give them this oil, they can put it in their pocket. And then anytime they want to go back to that moment, all they have to do is smell it. And they’re right back at it. Dave,

Kary Youman 58:47
I have to ask what essential oil scent is? Is it a specific scent? Or could it be different for everybody?

Dave Albin 58:52
I think it can be just as long as it’s an essential oil of some kind? That’s another great question. In fact, I’m going to be talking to Tara out of Utah, and I’m going to ask them based on what we’re doing, because they have technology, right? They have the research on different oils and the mixtures and so on, I’m literally going to have them create one. And I’m going to call it the firewalk. I mean, literally, I’m going to have to create the oil around the firewalk so that they can smell it. And then again, we’ll give it to them. And then that way that oil will be out there and they can take it and put it in their pocket and they’re not feeling good. Grab your coin, remember your purpose, smell your oil, and control and it all comes down to one thing, state management. And that’s and I think those tools are going to help immensely. The people

Joe Quattrone 59:40
dream about the fireworks like Do you hear stories years after the fact that people like to call you up and tell you that the firewalk is in their dreams or anything like that? Like it’s oh yeah,

Dave Albin 59:49
I mean, I’ve run into people. And that’s interesting. The culture that’s created, right. So you know that if you’re hanging out with a bunch of firefighters, you know, there’s a camaraderie between firefighter As a police officers and veterans and so on. So same thing with the firewalk. Right? If you work for a company, and you’re out there and you, your company comes to me, and we do a fire walk, and five years later, I run in I, this happens a lot, actually. And it’s happened a lot more lately, which is interesting now that I’m thinking about it. But if you run into somebody that’s out there, and I facilitated their firewalk, when they see me, they’re like, deep, oh my gosh, right. They’re instantly high on life. And, you know, they come running into me, and they hug me and they’re like, how are you doing? It’s good to see you. You know what I mean? So that part’s created as well. So yeah, that it does. And here’s the bottom line. You know, when you do that, firewalk you guys said it a while ago, if you can fire Walk and walk on coals or 1000 degrees and not hurt yourself, what else can you do? So the good thing about firewalking is once it’s programmed into your brain, you can’t even program it. Yeah,

Joe Quattrone 1:00:56
It’s amazing. There you go. Well, this has been an exhilarating conversation. I’m sure Jan Macquarie’s share the sentiment where can we have our audience members find you Dave? Is there a social media handle or a website you want to direct people to? Yeah,

Dave Albin 1:01:10
just go to our website, the easiest place to get to me. It’s firewalk adventures.com. So it’s firewalk all one word, adventures plural.com. In my other social media, I think LinkedIn is on there, and Instagram and Facebook. And that’s as far as I go. I don’t do the TikTok thing. And I don’t do Twitter, like that so yeah, but you can get to us there, my calendars there. You know, the cap, the academy is also there. I don’t know if you guys know this, but i i A couple years ago, I started what’s called the Dave Alban firewalk Academy. In fact, I just graduated from our class here a couple of weeks ago. So what happens there is that people come up here to the Appalachian Mountains, once I interview them, and make sure it’s good for them and good for us to be a good fit. And then I teach them all this stuff. So they come to me, they spend basically spend five full days with me, and I show him all this stuff, the firewalk the glass, walk the board, break the brick, break the arrow, break, the rebar bending, all this stuff, how to start your own business, how to approach clients, you know, everything from how to join the Chamber of Commerce and what to do. So yeah, we have a really extensive class that we do once a year in October. So the next one is in 2024. And that’s up on the website as well.

Kary Youman 1:02:27
Like a Train the Trainer, trainer,

Dave Albin 1:02:30
motivation, gravy trainer,

JM Guthrie 1:02:32
What a motivation. I mean, thankfully, you listen to that guy on your right shoulder because keep doing what you’re doing. This has been a special hour for us and certainly look forward to being a fan of yours. And hopefully, you know, attend either the one with the veterans or one coming up or maybe we’ll sponsor our own or figure out

Joe Quattrone 1:02:50
I was gonna say if if any of our listeners book you, I don’t want to commission I want you to bring us to the firewalk

Dave Albin 1:02:56
That’s right. Well, again, I’d love to have you guys if you want to come out and see it and really be part of something cool. If you got one, you know, one all of you. You know, come to Modesto it’s April 13. And yeah, we’re looking for anybody and everybody if there’s a sponsor out there and you go you know what, hey, yeah, sure. Let’s bring attention to my brand. But both.

Joe Quattrone 1:03:14
My grandparents were military and JM’s got a family history with the military. Not sure about carries but sounds amazing to me. I would love to come out.

Dave Albin 1:03:21
Well, Gary V’s listening. Come on, Gary. Let’s go. Come on, brother. Come on.